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		By: Smuggins		</title>
		<link>https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-9317</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2022 16:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7750&quot;&gt;Joshua English Scrimshaw&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree, it is just clumsy.  Had the last lines been &quot;Hello Lavina&quot; and then &quot;As I turned to face the intruder, I grabbed my sewing scissors...&quot;.  Something to that effect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7750">Joshua English Scrimshaw</a>.</p>
<p>I agree, it is just clumsy.  Had the last lines been &#8220;Hello Lavina&#8221; and then &#8220;As I turned to face the intruder, I grabbed my sewing scissors&#8230;&#8221;.  Something to that effect.</p>
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		By: Smuggins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2022 16:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7746&quot;&gt;Trish&lt;/a&gt;.

I totally agree with you Trish.  Without the ending, this is just a Bradbury morality tale about how uppity women are secretly afraid and will be deservedly killed if they don&#039;t know their place.  

The more Bradbury MORLS reviews, the more clear it is that Bradbury is pretty socially conservative. 

The ending could have been more gracefully integrated, perhaps a producer or sponsor demanded a &#039;happy ending&#039;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7746">Trish</a>.</p>
<p>I totally agree with you Trish.  Without the ending, this is just a Bradbury morality tale about how uppity women are secretly afraid and will be deservedly killed if they don&#8217;t know their place.  </p>
<p>The more Bradbury MORLS reviews, the more clear it is that Bradbury is pretty socially conservative. </p>
<p>The ending could have been more gracefully integrated, perhaps a producer or sponsor demanded a &#8216;happy ending&#8217;?</p>
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		By: David Thiel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2021 17:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It’s been so long since I’ve read the story that I also thought Lavinia was the killer for much of the play. The killer is inexplicably known as “The Lonely One,” and the other women make a point of saying that Lavinia lives all alone. Furthermore, there’s even a possible motivation, in that one of the victims is described as being nearly as pretty as Lavinia. Was she offing the “competition?”

For a similar “in the narrator’s head” terror experience, read “A Walk in the Dark” by Arthur C. Clarke. Scared the hell out of me as a kid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s been so long since I’ve read the story that I also thought Lavinia was the killer for much of the play. The killer is inexplicably known as “The Lonely One,” and the other women make a point of saying that Lavinia lives all alone. Furthermore, there’s even a possible motivation, in that one of the victims is described as being nearly as pretty as Lavinia. Was she offing the “competition?”</p>
<p>For a similar “in the narrator’s head” terror experience, read “A Walk in the Dark” by Arthur C. Clarke. Scared the hell out of me as a kid.</p>
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		By: ian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She is a loner. Not only is she female “the weaker sex”, she is single (so no man to rush to her aid), and older so less likely for random young men to rush to her aid. Since she is single, EVERYONE wants to tell her how to live and what she can and cannot do. Because she is a little older she is getting to the “I don’t give a flying fig what anyone else thinks” phase.
I don’t see how it is any less scary that she killed the killer.
Frankly as a woman you defend yourself from one threat, there is always another. Next time you might not be expecting it. Like the idiot “friend” Frank, who jumped out at them. Next time he does that, he’s drunk and your walking by yourself. He takes things too far…
Now that she killed the bad guy, many of the other men in her circle will either see her as a challenge to be conquered, or as too “butch” to be feminine. So now her friends will say I told you so, you need a man for sure, but no man will really be interested in her.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is a loner. Not only is she female “the weaker sex”, she is single (so no man to rush to her aid), and older so less likely for random young men to rush to her aid. Since she is single, EVERYONE wants to tell her how to live and what she can and cannot do. Because she is a little older she is getting to the “I don’t give a flying fig what anyone else thinks” phase.<br />
I don’t see how it is any less scary that she killed the killer.<br />
Frankly as a woman you defend yourself from one threat, there is always another. Next time you might not be expecting it. Like the idiot “friend” Frank, who jumped out at them. Next time he does that, he’s drunk and your walking by yourself. He takes things too far…<br />
Now that she killed the bad guy, many of the other men in her circle will either see her as a challenge to be conquered, or as too “butch” to be feminine. So now her friends will say I told you so, you need a man for sure, but no man will really be interested in her.</p>
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		By: ian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like the Veldt but this is better the veldt]]></description>
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		By: ian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was the best and I would also listen to it all the time]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the best and I would also listen to it all the time</p>
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		By: Marc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2018 11:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric,

I am with you on so many points, but your colleagues are right about the structure of this radio play.

I agree that a simple ambiguous ending would have been scarier.

I share your reticence about post-Golden age radio plays.

I agree with your opinion that there are almost no stories that cannot be improved by the inclusion of a hard-boiled detective tracking down a criminal.

Importantly, I am one of about three people on the planet who agrees with your view that the Lord of the Rings movies are awful. (The books are great, which made the movies even more disappointing). I walked out of the theater in 2001 and I&#039;m pretty sure the movie is still playing there today - not as a revival but literally the same never-ending, self-indulgent, terribly-acted movie in front of an audience that hasn&#039;t seen daylight in nearly two decades. 

However, you lose even me when you say that this radio play feels like two stories stapled together. The second half is so effective because of how it is set up by the first half. Everything Joshua says on this point is correct.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I am with you on so many points, but your colleagues are right about the structure of this radio play.</p>
<p>I agree that a simple ambiguous ending would have been scarier.</p>
<p>I share your reticence about post-Golden age radio plays.</p>
<p>I agree with your opinion that there are almost no stories that cannot be improved by the inclusion of a hard-boiled detective tracking down a criminal.</p>
<p>Importantly, I am one of about three people on the planet who agrees with your view that the Lord of the Rings movies are awful. (The books are great, which made the movies even more disappointing). I walked out of the theater in 2001 and I&#8217;m pretty sure the movie is still playing there today &#8211; not as a revival but literally the same never-ending, self-indulgent, terribly-acted movie in front of an audience that hasn&#8217;t seen daylight in nearly two decades. </p>
<p>However, you lose even me when you say that this radio play feels like two stories stapled together. The second half is so effective because of how it is set up by the first half. Everything Joshua says on this point is correct.</p>
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		By: Doug Shaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2018 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let me try to post this again in the right place!

I listened to this in broad daylight while driving.  By the end I was gripping the steering wheel too hard, and I was clenching my teeth.  My body was in full physical fright mode.  And THAT hasn&#039;t happened yet during this podcast.  Easily the most terrifying story you&#039;ve done so far.  Holy sh*t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me try to post this again in the right place!</p>
<p>I listened to this in broad daylight while driving.  By the end I was gripping the steering wheel too hard, and I was clenching my teeth.  My body was in full physical fright mode.  And THAT hasn&#8217;t happened yet during this podcast.  Easily the most terrifying story you&#8217;ve done so far.  Holy sh*t.</p>
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		By: Mark Forrester		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 09:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7750&quot;&gt;Joshua English Scrimshaw&lt;/a&gt;.

I like your (and Trish&#039;s) reasoning, but I think the scissors ending needed to be developed more to work. I think if you want to give Lavinia more agency, you can&#039;t just do that off-stage, so to speak.

Incidentally, I just listened to the &quot;Suspense&quot; version, and I didn&#039;t think that ending fully worked either. I think comparing the two adaptations illustrates how difficult it is too translate Bradbury&#039;s literary ending into an audio format.

(By the way, is there any way commenters here can get email notifications when someone else comments in a thread they&#039;ve posted to?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7750">Joshua English Scrimshaw</a>.</p>
<p>I like your (and Trish&#8217;s) reasoning, but I think the scissors ending needed to be developed more to work. I think if you want to give Lavinia more agency, you can&#8217;t just do that off-stage, so to speak.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I just listened to the &#8220;Suspense&#8221; version, and I didn&#8217;t think that ending fully worked either. I think comparing the two adaptations illustrates how difficult it is too translate Bradbury&#8217;s literary ending into an audio format.</p>
<p>(By the way, is there any way commenters here can get email notifications when someone else comments in a thread they&#8217;ve posted to?)</p>
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		By: Joshua English Scrimshaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 03:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7753&quot;&gt;tatterdemalion&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow, I like the ending even more now. &lt;em&gt;Dandelion Wine&lt;/em&gt; is one of the few Bradbury novels I haven&#039;t read yet. I&#039;m going to add it to my summer reading list. Thanks for the info!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7753">tatterdemalion</a>.</p>
<p>Wow, I like the ending even more now. <em>Dandelion Wine</em> is one of the few Bradbury novels I haven&#8217;t read yet. I&#8217;m going to add it to my summer reading list. Thanks for the info!</p>
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		By: tatterdemalion		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 01:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Dandelion Wine, you hear in the next chapter from the neighborhood boys that she stabbed the Lonely One with scissors. I think as a standalone story it works better with an ambiguous ending, but in the context of the book, it needs a resolution.
I was also delighted that the independent woman did not get offed at the end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Dandelion Wine, you hear in the next chapter from the neighborhood boys that she stabbed the Lonely One with scissors. I think as a standalone story it works better with an ambiguous ending, but in the context of the book, it needs a resolution.<br />
I was also delighted that the independent woman did not get offed at the end.</p>
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		By: Joshua English Scrimshaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2018 20:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7747&quot;&gt;Mark Forrester&lt;/a&gt;.

From a structural point of view, I understand why the ending felt like a let-down. For me though, the fake-out ending (“Hello, Lavinia”) was the let-down, because it felt like business as usual. In OTR, female characters with agency usually wind up dead (see almost every &lt;em&gt;Lights Out&lt;/em&gt; story featuring female protagonists). The “Hello, Lavinia” ending was how I expected the story to conclude so the revelation that Lavinia not only escaped with her life but killed the Lonely One in the process felt like a breath of fresh air.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7747">Mark Forrester</a>.</p>
<p>From a structural point of view, I understand why the ending felt like a let-down. For me though, the fake-out ending (“Hello, Lavinia”) was the let-down, because it felt like business as usual. In OTR, female characters with agency usually wind up dead (see almost every <em>Lights Out</em> story featuring female protagonists). The “Hello, Lavinia” ending was how I expected the story to conclude so the revelation that Lavinia not only escaped with her life but killed the Lonely One in the process felt like a breath of fresh air.</p>
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		By: Joshua English Scrimshaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2018 20:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7746&quot;&gt;Trish&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the interesting perspective, Trish. I also liked the add-on ending, mostly because I interpreted it as a victory for Lavinia. I never thought about the implications for her after the story ends. Intriguing and depressing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2018/05/27/episode-85-the-ravine/#comment-7746">Trish</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the interesting perspective, Trish. I also liked the add-on ending, mostly because I interpreted it as a victory for Lavinia. I never thought about the implications for her after the story ends. Intriguing and depressing.</p>
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		By: Mark Forrester		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2018 10:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I understand Trish&#039;s point, but I have to agree with Eric on the ending. To me, it felt like a bit of a let-down after a great show.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand Trish&#8217;s point, but I have to agree with Eric on the ending. To me, it felt like a bit of a let-down after a great show.</p>
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		By: Trish		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2018 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The add on ending was perfect. 

She is a loner. Not only is she female &quot;the weaker sex&quot;, she is single (so no man to rush to her aid), and older so less likely for random young men to rush to her aid. Since she is single, EVERYONE wants to tell her how to live and what she can and cannot do. Because she is a little older she is getting to the &quot;I don&#039;t give a flying fig what anyone else thinks&quot; phase.

I don&#039;t see how it is any less scary that she killed the killer. 

Frankly as a woman you defend yourself from one threat, there is always another. Next time you might not be expecting it. Like the idiot &quot;friend&quot; Frank, who jumped out at them. Next time he does that, he&#039;s drunk and your walking by yourself. He takes things too far...

Now that she killed the bad guy, many of the other men in her circle will either see her as a challenge to be conquered, or as too &quot;butch&quot; to be feminine. So now her friends will say I told you so, you need a man for sure, but no man will really be interested in her.

Since it&#039;s set in the 1920s, it&#039;s amplified.

Just my $0.02]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The add on ending was perfect. </p>
<p>She is a loner. Not only is she female &#8220;the weaker sex&#8221;, she is single (so no man to rush to her aid), and older so less likely for random young men to rush to her aid. Since she is single, EVERYONE wants to tell her how to live and what she can and cannot do. Because she is a little older she is getting to the &#8220;I don&#8217;t give a flying fig what anyone else thinks&#8221; phase.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how it is any less scary that she killed the killer. </p>
<p>Frankly as a woman you defend yourself from one threat, there is always another. Next time you might not be expecting it. Like the idiot &#8220;friend&#8221; Frank, who jumped out at them. Next time he does that, he&#8217;s drunk and your walking by yourself. He takes things too far&#8230;</p>
<p>Now that she killed the bad guy, many of the other men in her circle will either see her as a challenge to be conquered, or as too &#8220;butch&#8221; to be feminine. So now her friends will say I told you so, you need a man for sure, but no man will really be interested in her.</p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s set in the 1920s, it&#8217;s amplified.</p>
<p>Just my $0.02</p>
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