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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2022 03:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8014&quot;&gt;Joshua English Scrimshaw&lt;/a&gt;.

To parahprase All the President&#039;s Men, it isn&#039;t what Mr. Coleman did, it was How he did it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8014">Joshua English Scrimshaw</a>.</p>
<p>To parahprase All the President&#8217;s Men, it isn&#8217;t what Mr. Coleman did, it was How he did it.</p>
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		By: Smuggins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2022 03:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agree with Eric, fine but doesn&#039;t really add anything to the story besides some light misogyny. What wife would ignore how frantic the doctor is? The story practically blamed her for her death.

Also, we don&#039;t need to apologize or try to excuse sexism in the past.  The opening was very sexist and demeaning to female authors and creators.  I appreciate Eric, Tim, and Joshua for calling out that bs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Eric, fine but doesn&#8217;t really add anything to the story besides some light misogyny. What wife would ignore how frantic the doctor is? The story practically blamed her for her death.</p>
<p>Also, we don&#8217;t need to apologize or try to excuse sexism in the past.  The opening was very sexist and demeaning to female authors and creators.  I appreciate Eric, Tim, and Joshua for calling out that bs.</p>
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		By: Joshua English Scrimshaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2019 22:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8008&quot;&gt;Dave Potts&lt;/a&gt;.

Insightful as always, Mr. Potts. You&#039;re quickly becoming an honorary co-host! 

I understand your quibble with the logic behind the monster&#039;s wrath, but it didn&#039;t jump out at me. It&#039;s one of the benefits of being so familiar with the story. I think the listener unconsciously fills in certain gaps.

You raise a good point about Mr. Coleman&#039;s introduction. I listened to it again and that&#039;s absolutely what he was doing - building up to the big reveal of the name of the story.

I&#039;ll play devil&#039;s advocate to your last point though. Wouldn&#039;t creating a sterile bride only delay the inevitable? At the time this novel was written, children were an expected outcome of marriage. I think the monster&#039;s request for a companion included the implicit desire for a family. When procreation proved impossible, the monster would return to Frankenstein just as angry as before. Not only that, he&#039;d have another angry monster at his side!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8008">Dave Potts</a>.</p>
<p>Insightful as always, Mr. Potts. You&#8217;re quickly becoming an honorary co-host! </p>
<p>I understand your quibble with the logic behind the monster&#8217;s wrath, but it didn&#8217;t jump out at me. It&#8217;s one of the benefits of being so familiar with the story. I think the listener unconsciously fills in certain gaps.</p>
<p>You raise a good point about Mr. Coleman&#8217;s introduction. I listened to it again and that&#8217;s absolutely what he was doing &#8211; building up to the big reveal of the name of the story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll play devil&#8217;s advocate to your last point though. Wouldn&#8217;t creating a sterile bride only delay the inevitable? At the time this novel was written, children were an expected outcome of marriage. I think the monster&#8217;s request for a companion included the implicit desire for a family. When procreation proved impossible, the monster would return to Frankenstein just as angry as before. Not only that, he&#8217;d have another angry monster at his side!</p>
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		By: Dave Potts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2019 22:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8009&quot;&gt;Dave Potts&lt;/a&gt;.

(To clarify, in case you have any international listeners, I meant &quot;pissed&quot; in the U.S. sense of &quot;angry&quot;, not in the U.K. sense of &quot;drunk&quot; — although the thought of Frankenstein&#039;s Monster drunkenly posting comments on social media is also amusing to me.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8009">Dave Potts</a>.</p>
<p>(To clarify, in case you have any international listeners, I meant &#8220;pissed&#8221; in the U.S. sense of &#8220;angry&#8221;, not in the U.K. sense of &#8220;drunk&#8221; — although the thought of Frankenstein&#8217;s Monster drunkenly posting comments on social media is also amusing to me.)</p>
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		By: Dave Potts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2019 22:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8008&quot;&gt;Dave Potts&lt;/a&gt;.

One more comment: At the end, when Frankenstein warns the listener, &quot;Above all things, do not say my name — for the sound of the syllables ‘Frankenstein’ makes the anger rise in the monster&#039;s brain,&quot; it made me imagine that all of the comments on social media to the effect of &quot;Actually, Frankenstein was the name of the doctor&quot; might in fact have been made by Frankenstein&#039;s monster, and he&#039;s pissed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8008">Dave Potts</a>.</p>
<p>One more comment: At the end, when Frankenstein warns the listener, &#8220;Above all things, do not say my name — for the sound of the syllables ‘Frankenstein’ makes the anger rise in the monster&#8217;s brain,&#8221; it made me imagine that all of the comments on social media to the effect of &#8220;Actually, Frankenstein was the name of the doctor&#8221; might in fact have been made by Frankenstein&#8217;s monster, and he&#8217;s pissed.</p>
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		By: Dave Potts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2019 22:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I loved this.  I would not have thought that an adaptation of Shelley&#039;s novel could be as good as this in just a half-hour. My only real complaint about this is that it didn&#039;t really establish a motive for the monster&#039;s hatred of Frankenstein. In the novel, when Victor awakens to find the monster looming over him, Victor flees in horror and abandons his creation. Here, he just falls back asleep, and in the morning finds that the creature has wandered off. If they had just changed a few lines of narration to show that Victor abandoned the creature, rather than vice-versa, they could have then continued with the rest of the story exactly as they did, and it would have provided a reason for the monster&#039;s campaign of revenge. And by focusing on the murders like they did, they still would have established a frightening, unsympathetic monster, but it would have made better narrative sense (just as, for example, if we&#039;re listening to a story about a ruthless killer hunting the person who testified against him, it doesn&#039;t necessarily make the killer more sympathetic by establishing the reason for his revenge, but it provides context to better understand the story). But the rest of this was so well done that it didn&#039;t bother me too much except in that moment. As the story moved on, I went right along on the thrill ride, and I still voted it a timeless classic.

Regarding Ronald Coleman&#039;s introduction and the lack of an immediate identification of Mary Shelley, I interpreted this differently than you. Yes, when he says &quot;strangely enough, it was written by a woman,&quot; it reflects the sexism of the time (and when I heard this, I laughingly thought something along the lines of &quot;Gasp! A woman!&quot;), but when he says &quot;the wife of one of the greatest poets of our language&quot; before he has ever identified her by name, I did not take this as a sexist dig against Mary Shelley. I interpreted this as providing clues for the listener to identify the story before Coleman reveals it: (1) it&#039;s &quot;probably the most startling tale of horror ever dreamed upon this planet&quot; (which is arguable, but the superlative does indicate that it&#039;s presumably something famous enough for the audience to recognize); (2) &quot;it was written by a woman&quot;; and (3) &quot;the wife of one of the greatest poets of our language&quot;. That these hints were supposed to be sufficient for identification is made evident by the next sentence starting with &quot;Yes&quot;: &quot;Yes, before the minute hand of your watch completes its next half-circle, you&#039;re coming face-to-face with Frankenstein&#039;s monster.&quot; He then identifies it as &quot;Mary Shelley&#039;s ghastly adventure of Doctor Frankenstein.&quot; (Now, if he had said &quot;Percy Shelley&#039;s wife&#039;s ghastly adventure...,&quot; THAT would have been sexist.)

To continue on the topic of Coleman&#039;s intro: I thought the joke about Jack Benny was extremely funny — so much so that when Eric called it &quot;a terribly unnecessary shot at Jack Benny,&quot; I actually said out loud, &quot;No, it wasn&#039;t!&quot; Fortunately, I was alone at the time.

And on the topic of jokes, I didn&#039;t mind the mid-program joking about Percy and Mary Shelley writing. I didn&#039;t think it was particularly entertaining, but it didn&#039;t irritate me the way it did Tim. And it&#039;s worth remembering that this would have come at the end of a commercial break, so it wasn&#039;t as if they interrupted the story just to make a feeble joke — and I didn&#039;t find it anywhere near as intrusive as Harlow Wilcox and Hap with their allegedly humorous discussions of Autolite products.

On a more critical note — which I can&#039;t blame on this adaptation, so I&#039;m not holding this against it — in listening to this, it reminded me of the main criticism I have of Shelley&#039;s novel: When the monster demands a mate, Frankenstein initially goes along with it, then rebels and destroys his work when he considers the prospect of the creatures breeding a race of superhuman monstrosities — thus dooming his own bride and anyone else who cares for him. Frankenstein could have saved himself a lot of grief if he had just thought to assemble a female creature with no uterus or ovaries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this.  I would not have thought that an adaptation of Shelley&#8217;s novel could be as good as this in just a half-hour. My only real complaint about this is that it didn&#8217;t really establish a motive for the monster&#8217;s hatred of Frankenstein. In the novel, when Victor awakens to find the monster looming over him, Victor flees in horror and abandons his creation. Here, he just falls back asleep, and in the morning finds that the creature has wandered off. If they had just changed a few lines of narration to show that Victor abandoned the creature, rather than vice-versa, they could have then continued with the rest of the story exactly as they did, and it would have provided a reason for the monster&#8217;s campaign of revenge. And by focusing on the murders like they did, they still would have established a frightening, unsympathetic monster, but it would have made better narrative sense (just as, for example, if we&#8217;re listening to a story about a ruthless killer hunting the person who testified against him, it doesn&#8217;t necessarily make the killer more sympathetic by establishing the reason for his revenge, but it provides context to better understand the story). But the rest of this was so well done that it didn&#8217;t bother me too much except in that moment. As the story moved on, I went right along on the thrill ride, and I still voted it a timeless classic.</p>
<p>Regarding Ronald Coleman&#8217;s introduction and the lack of an immediate identification of Mary Shelley, I interpreted this differently than you. Yes, when he says &#8220;strangely enough, it was written by a woman,&#8221; it reflects the sexism of the time (and when I heard this, I laughingly thought something along the lines of &#8220;Gasp! A woman!&#8221;), but when he says &#8220;the wife of one of the greatest poets of our language&#8221; before he has ever identified her by name, I did not take this as a sexist dig against Mary Shelley. I interpreted this as providing clues for the listener to identify the story before Coleman reveals it: (1) it&#8217;s &#8220;probably the most startling tale of horror ever dreamed upon this planet&#8221; (which is arguable, but the superlative does indicate that it&#8217;s presumably something famous enough for the audience to recognize); (2) &#8220;it was written by a woman&#8221;; and (3) &#8220;the wife of one of the greatest poets of our language&#8221;. That these hints were supposed to be sufficient for identification is made evident by the next sentence starting with &#8220;Yes&#8221;: &#8220;Yes, before the minute hand of your watch completes its next half-circle, you&#8217;re coming face-to-face with Frankenstein&#8217;s monster.&#8221; He then identifies it as &#8220;Mary Shelley&#8217;s ghastly adventure of Doctor Frankenstein.&#8221; (Now, if he had said &#8220;Percy Shelley&#8217;s wife&#8217;s ghastly adventure&#8230;,&#8221; THAT would have been sexist.)</p>
<p>To continue on the topic of Coleman&#8217;s intro: I thought the joke about Jack Benny was extremely funny — so much so that when Eric called it &#8220;a terribly unnecessary shot at Jack Benny,&#8221; I actually said out loud, &#8220;No, it wasn&#8217;t!&#8221; Fortunately, I was alone at the time.</p>
<p>And on the topic of jokes, I didn&#8217;t mind the mid-program joking about Percy and Mary Shelley writing. I didn&#8217;t think it was particularly entertaining, but it didn&#8217;t irritate me the way it did Tim. And it&#8217;s worth remembering that this would have come at the end of a commercial break, so it wasn&#8217;t as if they interrupted the story just to make a feeble joke — and I didn&#8217;t find it anywhere near as intrusive as Harlow Wilcox and Hap with their allegedly humorous discussions of Autolite products.</p>
<p>On a more critical note — which I can&#8217;t blame on this adaptation, so I&#8217;m not holding this against it — in listening to this, it reminded me of the main criticism I have of Shelley&#8217;s novel: When the monster demands a mate, Frankenstein initially goes along with it, then rebels and destroys his work when he considers the prospect of the creatures breeding a race of superhuman monstrosities — thus dooming his own bride and anyone else who cares for him. Frankenstein could have saved himself a lot of grief if he had just thought to assemble a female creature with no uterus or ovaries.</p>
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		By: Joshua English Scrimshaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 22:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8001&quot;&gt;Timothy DeForest&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re welcome. We&#039;ve found the OTR community amazingly friendly and supportive. It&#039;s a pleasure to share that support with other OTR enthusiasts. Thank you for the great recommendation!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8001">Timothy DeForest</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome. We&#8217;ve found the OTR community amazingly friendly and supportive. It&#8217;s a pleasure to share that support with other OTR enthusiasts. Thank you for the great recommendation!</p>
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		By: Joshua English Scrimshaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 22:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8002&quot;&gt;Timothy DeForest&lt;/a&gt;.

I totally missed the Coleman/Benny connection. Thanks for pointing it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ghoulishdelights.com/2019/05/20/episode-132-frankenstein/#comment-8002">Timothy DeForest</a>.</p>
<p>I totally missed the Coleman/Benny connection. Thanks for pointing it out.</p>
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		By: Timothy DeForest		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 21:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Dig&quot; at Jack Benny. Not &quot;dog.&quot; Stupid autocorrect .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dig&#8221; at Jack Benny. Not &#8220;dog.&#8221; Stupid autocorrect .</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 21:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By the way, the dog at Jack Benny had a double-meaning. It does reference Benny&#039;s famous feud with Fred Allen. But it also is a call out to Ronald Coleman&#039;s frequent appearances on Benny&#039;s  show. Coleman and his wife played themselves as neighbors of Jack who were perpetually being annoyed by his antics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the dog at Jack Benny had a double-meaning. It does reference Benny&#8217;s famous feud with Fred Allen. But it also is a call out to Ronald Coleman&#8217;s frequent appearances on Benny&#8217;s  show. Coleman and his wife played themselves as neighbors of Jack who were perpetually being annoyed by his antics.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 16:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really appreciate you guys plugging my book. Thank you.]]></description>
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